The Beatrice Interview


Brady Udall

"I think I did alright--I got the girl and the story."


interviewed by Ron Hogan

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Brady Udall comes from one of Utah's most well-known political families, but he's ended up following a much different career path. His first novel, The Miracle Life of Edgar Mint, is a tragicomic account that begins when Edgar, a young Native American growing up on the edges of a reservation, has his head run over by a mail truck. Some readers might be skeptical of a young Mormon author's decision to write a novel rooted in the perspective of a character so radically different from himself, but Udall finds that line of reasoning unpersuasive."This book isn't about Native Americans or their culture," he points out. "It didn't worry me at all. I grew up in a place with a lot of Native Americans on reservations, so I know that country, I know those people, at least from my outisder's perspective. And what ultimately interested me about Edgar's culture was how he was divorced from it." .

RH: I've seen a couple different stories about how you started writing this novel, which got me thinking about how authors pull separate ideas together to come up with their stories.

BU: What really happened was this: my wife's ex-boyfriend was run over by a mail truck when he was a kid and left for dead, and the mailman had a nervous breakdown and disappeared. Now, the story gets complicated because he was still her boyfriend when I was her boyfriend. She told me about this other guy she was seeing, and of course I was very upset..then she told me this story, I think to soften me up.Well it did, mostly because I thought it was such an amazing story. I sought him out and got the story from him. So I think I did alright--I got the girl and the story. (smiles)

RH: Once you had Edgar's basic situation in place, how did you build upon it?

BU: That was one of the biggest difficulties of the book, to write a story about a character I didn't really know or understand when I started writing him. I was writing in the first person, so it was apparently at some point in his future when he'd developed past these events, but I didn't know who that older person was, or what had happened to him along the way. It's a very strange thing to sit down and start writing like that, building a life as you go along. You make certain decisions, and the ramifications of those decisions cause you, and the character, to see the world a certain way. But it's a process; I can't imagine a character's entire life in one sweeping, grand moment.

RH: It's so hard for Edgar to remember, or to know himself, that he frequently describes his past in the third person rather than the first.

BU: A lot of people thought I was doing that just as a literary device, as a second narrator, but it's for exactly that reason. He can't remember a lot of what happened to him, and ultimately he becomes a character in his own story. Most of the time, when we tell stories about ourselves, we treat ourselves as characters in the story. We're not so self- involved that we don't understand we have a role to play. He's just aware of that.

RH: You're not afraid to find the humor in what is, on the surface level, a bleak story.

BU: I had no interest in writing straight tragedy. In a way, it's too easy, too common. There's so many stories now about people who've suffered some tragedy where the entire point of the story is, "Look at how bad this character's had it." What interests me is taking something that wouldn't necessarily be seen as comic material and using it that way. That's the way I see the world. I can laugh at just about anything, and that might make me an annoying person in some ways, but it's also sort of a survival technique that makes life easier.

RH: Have you always wanted to be a writer?

BU: No. I just always knew I wanted to do something that didn't involve heavy labor. I never conceived of writing as something you could do as an occupation. I thought it might be something to do to impress myself, coming up with these stories, but it wasn't until I got to college that I first started thinking I could make a living from writing.

RH: You come from a political family. Did they support your creative efforts, or try to steer you towards their field?

BU: I never really admitted to anybody I wanted to write! (laughs) When I wrote a story, I might have shown it to my high school English teacher, but that's about it. I was even a sociology major in college, never let on that I would try my hand at writing.

RH: You'd published a collection of short stories a few years ago. Had you been trying to write a novel during that time?

BU: I've known about this story since 1991, long before I started this book. I knew eventually that I'd write a novel. It was almost a given. I knew I wasn't going to write short stories my whole life. For one thing, they don't sell. And I think every writer has to write a novel, or at least try to once. Well, I realize that's sort of presumptuous on my part; there's a lot of great writers who never wrote a novel.

RH: I can see that you've achieved a personal reconciliation between your creative pursuits and your spiritual commitment as a Mormon, but for you and other Mormon artists, friction often occurs with the church hierarchy over the artist's decision to address some types of subject matter.

BU: Ultimately, my family comes first, before the church, before my writing, before anything. It can cause me pain when I know that they might be embarassed by something that I'm doing as a writer, or even ashamed, so at times it's a delicate situation. I know they're proud of my success, that I'm making it out in the world and getting attention for my work, but they're also worried that I'm not being a good role model, that I should be presenting myself as a good Mormon, not this guy writing gritty stories full of swear words and sex.

But in the end, that's all cosmetic stuff. I can't really feel too bad about it. I know it's presumptuous, but I hope that my book can offer readers a strong spiritual experience. That despite all the harsh material, they can still draw inspiration from it.

RH: Every writer depicts the world to some extent as they want it to be, but they also have to deal with the world as it is.

BU: There's no way around that, or you're being dishonest with yourself and your readers. Whenever someone in my family, or other Mormons, ask me about that, I try to explain it, but it hasn't quite gotten through to them yet... (smiles)

RH: When you were starting out, who were some of the writers you learned the most from by reading?

BU: The writer I learned so much from is Rick Bass. I read a lot of Raymond Carver and other minimalist writers when I was in college, and to be honest with you, I hated it,. even though I thought that was what I was supposed to be learning from. Then a teacher gave me a copy of Bass's The Watch, and it just opened my eyes. He writes in a vernacular much like Twain did, in great, flowing prose I'd never encountered before. And I knew right away that was how I wanted to write, that the other stuff I was reading just felt so unnatural to me. It wasn't how I heard speech, how I understood language.

RH: Have you started work on your next novel yet?

BU: I've been working on it for a while, though I can't say I've written a whole lot of pages. It's mostly been pre-novelizing so far, the research and all. It's a story about a modern polygamist. I wanted to do something very different than this book, so I'm going from a kid who's alone in the world and has nobody to a guy who has everybody. (smiles)

RH: Well, that'll tackle the friction between your fiction and Mormonism head on, I guess.

BU: Sure, and it's a situation that lends itself perfectly to humor. What could be funnier? One of the things American writers do really well, in my mind, is domestic drama... and what could be more of a family than four wives and twenty-eight children? Now that's a family!

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